Comments on: Outcome of the 2007 federal election http://www.timmalone.id.au/2007/11/25/outcome-of-the-2007-federal-election/ Tim's thoughts, words, findings, musings, and rants Mon, 31 Oct 2011 13:05:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Trevor http://www.timmalone.id.au/2007/11/25/outcome-of-the-2007-federal-election/comment-page-1/#comment-298 Trevor Sun, 16 Dec 2007 14:14:58 +0000 http://www.timmalone.id.au/2007/11/25/outcome-of-the-2007-federal-election/#comment-298 Thanks for that Phil. I can accept that John Howard is a church goer rather than Bible believing Christian, mores the pity, but I am somewhat amazed about Rudd. While I am not doubting your claims about him, everything I have read, heard or seen gives the opposite impression. David is probably a good example of a leader, though I would prefer it if Rudd avoided sending off troops on suicide missions just to hide his adultery ;) The big difference I would think is that while I consider David to have been a strong Godly leader who made some monumental moral blunders, Rudd seems weak in every area bar politics. Spin seems to be his strength. My view of a leader, and doubly so for anyone claiming to be, let alone actually being, a Christian leader, is someone who tells the truth as they see it not resorting to spin. I was quite pleased for example when the current Pope came out to say that only the Catholic Church was Christian. I forget his exact words, and certainly disagree with them, but I can respect him and his position. There are plenty of other adjectives etc to describe a good leader, strength of character, the ability to make the right/hard decisions most of which I think could be applied to David but not Rudd. I realise my own political leanings probably influence my perspective but I think of all the ALP leaders in recent years the only one I would have possibly considered Christian is Kevin Beazley. Odds are, like John Howard he is a church goer rather than the real deal. Perhaps Rudd needs to think how to let his candle shine rather than hiding it? Of course real Christians are a minority in Australia so perhaps it would be politically unwise. Thanks for that Phil. I can accept that John Howard is a church goer rather than Bible believing Christian, mores the pity, but I am somewhat amazed about Rudd. While I am not doubting your claims about him, everything I have read, heard or seen gives the opposite impression.

David is probably a good example of a leader, though I would prefer it if Rudd avoided sending off troops on suicide missions just to hide his adultery ;) The big difference I would think is that while I consider David to have been a strong Godly leader who made some monumental moral blunders, Rudd seems weak in every area bar politics. Spin seems to be his strength. My view of a leader, and doubly so for anyone claiming to be, let alone actually being, a Christian leader, is someone who tells the truth as they see it not resorting to spin. I was quite pleased for example when the current Pope came out to say that only the Catholic Church was Christian. I forget his exact words, and certainly disagree with them, but I can respect him and his position.

There are plenty of other adjectives etc to describe a good leader, strength of character, the ability to make the right/hard decisions most of which I think could be applied to David but not Rudd. I realise my own political leanings probably influence my perspective but I think of all the ALP leaders in recent years the only one I would have possibly considered Christian is Kevin Beazley. Odds are, like John Howard he is a church goer rather than the real deal. Perhaps Rudd needs to think how to let his candle shine rather than hiding it? Of course real Christians are a minority in Australia so perhaps it would be politically unwise.

]]> By: Phil Malone http://www.timmalone.id.au/2007/11/25/outcome-of-the-2007-federal-election/comment-page-1/#comment-297 Phil Malone Sat, 15 Dec 2007 02:30:53 +0000 http://www.timmalone.id.au/2007/11/25/outcome-of-the-2007-federal-election/#comment-297 Trevor, Yes I am suggesting Rudd is a committed Christian because I personally know his mentor who meets with him regularly around times with God. Christians do make mistakes, you've only got to look at David in Psalm 51 to see how a man of God can fall and be forgiven. Unfortunately, Johnny only had the "religious" veneer of a church-going man but without a personal relationship - again an insight from reliable sources. Trevor,
Yes I am suggesting Rudd is a committed Christian because I personally know his mentor who meets with him regularly around times with God. Christians do make mistakes, you’ve only got to look at David in Psalm 51 to see how a man of God can fall and be forgiven. Unfortunately, Johnny only had the “religious” veneer of a church-going man but without a personal relationship – again an insight from reliable sources.

]]> By: Trevor http://www.timmalone.id.au/2007/11/25/outcome-of-the-2007-federal-election/comment-page-1/#comment-295 Trevor Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:38:26 +0000 http://www.timmalone.id.au/2007/11/25/outcome-of-the-2007-federal-election/#comment-295 Stumbled across this article and it makes for an interesting read. It seems a pretty accurate summary to me. Although I knew almost all the polls were predicting Rudd to win I to was hoping, and praying, it would not happen. Oh well the Israelites probably did not want the Philistines either! I guess it just goes to show that money and spin beat truth and common sense in politics :( Minor query - Is Phil suggesting Rudd is a committed Christian whereas Howard is not??? While I am not sure if John Howard is or not I know I do not associate drinking, gambling and adult entertainment with Christianity! Stumbled across this article and it makes for an interesting read. It seems a pretty accurate summary to me. Although I knew almost all the polls were predicting Rudd to win I to was hoping, and praying, it would not happen. Oh well the Israelites probably did not want the Philistines either! I guess it just goes to show that money and spin beat truth and common sense in politics :(

Minor query – Is Phil suggesting Rudd is a committed Christian whereas Howard is not??? While I am not sure if John Howard is or not I know I do not associate drinking, gambling and adult entertainment with Christianity!

]]> By: Tim Malone http://www.timmalone.id.au/2007/11/25/outcome-of-the-2007-federal-election/comment-page-1/#comment-291 Tim Malone Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:52:05 +0000 http://www.timmalone.id.au/2007/11/25/outcome-of-the-2007-federal-election/#comment-291 Well, I'm not too sure <a href="http://www.timmalone.id.au/2007/10/09/dont-be-fooled-by-rudds-facade/" rel="nofollow">whether he is a committed Christian</a>, but that's interesting - I didn't realise that Stanley Bruce was battling for industrial relations change as well. Well, I’m not too sure whether he is a committed Christian, but that’s interesting – I didn’t realise that Stanley Bruce was battling for industrial relations change as well.

]]> By: Phil Malone http://www.timmalone.id.au/2007/11/25/outcome-of-the-2007-federal-election/comment-page-1/#comment-290 Phil Malone Sun, 25 Nov 2007 08:59:19 +0000 http://www.timmalone.id.au/2007/11/25/outcome-of-the-2007-federal-election/#comment-290 Tim, the last time a Prime Minister lost his own seat was when he chose to battle the industrial relations regime in Australia - this time the same happened again. This is the first time we have had a committed Chrisitan leading the country - my only hope is that he won't become a puppet for his deputy. We can only pray he is strong enough to lead the way God leads him and in a more compassionate way than his predessors. Love dad :-) Tim,
the last time a Prime Minister lost his own seat was when he chose to battle the industrial relations regime in Australia – this time the same happened again. This is the first time we have had a committed Chrisitan leading the country – my only hope is that he won’t become a puppet for his deputy. We can only pray he is strong enough to lead the way God leads him and in a more compassionate way than his predessors.

Love dad :-)

]]> By: Stephen http://www.timmalone.id.au/2007/11/25/outcome-of-the-2007-federal-election/comment-page-1/#comment-289 Stephen Sun, 25 Nov 2007 05:31:59 +0000 http://www.timmalone.id.au/2007/11/25/outcome-of-the-2007-federal-election/#comment-289 Nicely said Tim. I fully agree with everything you have said :) Nicely said Tim. I fully agree with everything you have said :)

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